帖子刚才才看到，作者Huw大人似乎十分不屑，标题上来就是Rubbish。简单暴力。
还好讨论还算理性，没有出现对中国/中国人的攻击性言论，最多是说我国版权意识不到位。甚至还有人为此辩护的……
目前评论已经50+，当然我也在下面留了长篇大论……
主要观点也是这两个人仔是我见过最没节操最奇葩的、不知道是哪个家庭作坊出来的山寨货都不如的最下级产品。其实看看评论，除我之外也有不少人提到国产的德高（decool？）和SY（这个是什么牌子）能达到97%的乐高质量。
下文的？？分别是德高和星钻。入手把玩过，质量相当不错。

By yoo.min in United Kingdom, 15 Jul 2015 20:28
As a Chinese guy currently studying in UK I have to say:
1. Unsurprisingly the author had chosen the worst Lego bootleg brand existed in Chinese market. There are some very good quality and Lego-compatible brands in China like ?? and ???And they dont steal Lego ideas and instructions but rather producing their own sets. I dont know if thats the violation of the Legos intellectual properties. Do some search on Taobao.com use the Chinese brand name I mentioned. I bought some of these replica of Lego while I was in China and to be honest, they did a good job regarding quality and Lego compatibility. But literately, these minifigures are the worst I have ever seen, and maybe could ever imagined...they shouldnt have appeared on the market, even for Chinese standard. Unacceptable. They reminds me of the inferior toy I used to play nearly 20 years ago. Shame for them...
不出意外地，作者拿出了最劣质的产品。但其实国产的德高和星钻做得相当不错。不过这些人仔真是太恐怖了~
2. I dont know what the h*** the TLG was thinking about the Chinese market policy. The official price of 42009 in China is more than 210 pound, as well as 10218, 10243, etc. Luckily most people buy their Lego sets on Taobao.com which was smuggled from Hongkong...
乐高定价在中国就是个脑残
3. These horrifying toys do exist in Chinese market, no doubt about it. But as I said, this is the worst you could ever find. Most toys (Lego-related or not, and Lego-related toys might do a better job since there are several brands competing in the market) are definitely better than this...
其实大部分中国玩具比这些货不知道好哪儿去了……

原谅我不过那个非洲过来的伊莉莎公主真是太搞笑啦LMFAO

[i=s] 本帖最后由 冷月冰海 于 2015-7-17 01:52 编辑 [/i] 贴几个有意思的评论哈哈

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By Block-n-Roll in New Zealand, 15 Jul 2015 20:34
The bottom line is this : if genuine LEGO wasnt so over-priced then thered be less incentive for people to buy knock-offs. Simple. TLGs profit margin is a major contributor to the problem.

Im sure Im not the only one who only buys discounted LEGO rather than deal with the compromise of cost or quality. Yes, I can easily afford to pay full list price, but why should I? I dont like being ripped off so sales, discounts, offers and "alternative sources" are the order of the day. Full price LEGO never gets a look-in and I have *never* bought directly from LEGO, in-store or online.

But its only a matter of time until a knock-off brand achieves parity on quality and *thats* the point where TLG will break out the lawyers and fight tooth and nail to protect their "intellectual property" and "copyright" (a.k.a. "price gouging" and "profit").

如果乐高的定价不是过高的话也许人们不会去买那些山寨货。TLG的利润才是问题所在。
我肯定不是唯一喜欢打折乐高的。谁也不喜欢被剥削，便宜货才是王道。
让这些所谓“山寨货”达到和乐高一样的质量只是个时间问题。到那时乐高就会武装到牙齿地诉诸法律去保护它的“知识版权”（说得直白点，利润）。

HUW的回复

By Huw in United Kingdom, 16 Jul 2015 08:22
To those that said I picked the worse examples of clones to review: that was the whole point.
Woodywood offered to send me some of my choice, I chose those that I thought would be most interesting to look at from a IP violation point of view.

Theres no point reviewing good clones, nobody here wants them or buys them given our loyalty to the LEGO brand, otherwise Id start doing M???b??ks...

给那些说我选了最糟糕的人仔的人们：这才是评测的精髓啊
上海的歪果仁给我寄了一些让我自己选择，之所以我选了这些是因为我觉得它们从侵犯知识产权方面最值得商榷的。
（嘲讽模式开启）质量好的仿制品没有必要去评测，这儿忠实的乐高粉丝们大概不会去鸟它们吧？……

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By BrightHe in China, 16 Jul 2015 10:35
You shouldn’t say these toys are rubbish,and I am sure you know nothing about China.Although I can afford the real LEGO sets,a large number of children in China still in poor conditions,you have no idea how expensive for them to afford Lego,maybe they will have to save their breakfast money for a whole year to afford just one middle-sized Lego set.Of course,for me,I will choose the real Lego sets but that doesnt mean the others,could choose the real ones.The purpose of the founder of LEGO is that everybody could play well,and its just a small case about the real sets and the false sets.China is not as developed as your country,Youd better watch your words,we dont like it.

你不该说它们是垃圾，我很确定你对中国一无所知。当然我买得起正版乐高，但很多中国小孩并不富裕，你并不知道正版乐高对他们来说是奢饰品。也许他们需要存一年早饭钱来买一个小套。当然我会选择正品乐高，但这不意味着其他人也负担得起。乐高创始人的初衷是每个人都可以玩得开心，set的真假与否并不是重点。中国并没有英国那么发达。注意你的言论。我们不喜欢那些话。

（这位国人言辞激烈~不过好像有点miss the point。Huw的重点在于知识产权角度而不是价格方面，当然标题也有点过分……）

By Huw in United Kingdom, 16 Jul 2015 14:52
@BrightHe, no offence was intended. Of course I dont know about conditions in China, and I suspect there is a legitimate market for cheap(er) toys like this, but that still doesnt excuse the blatant copyright and IP infringements.

我并无恶意。当然我不知道中国的情况，也许那儿的市场需要这些便宜玩具的存在，但这并不能给这些明目张胆的剽窃和知识产权侵犯行为一个正当理由。（Thats the whole point。。）

By Reekardoo in Portugal, 16 Jul 2015 17:45
@Huw - of the copyright and IP infrigements there is no doubt but you have to take under consideration the law, the international signed protocols and the area applicable of such deals. You see it might not be illegal to actually build them over at China. It would however be commercializing them in countries where international laws concerning patents and copyright laws are applicable. I am unware if China respects or abides those protocols, deals and international laws
Nonetheless, You did choose the worst of the replicas :D Which is a good thing. Most knock offs are really bad and Im against all of them. But some are pretty good "illegal" copies. If LEGO wants to put an end to these companies, there is a simple procedure they should take. Disrupt the secondary black market of LEGO. Stop creating exclusive polys or minifigures only achievable to a few. My real problem isnt with the high quality replicas apart from the legal issue, but how LEGO has become more of an investment than a toy. That is against company principles yet, as it has been profitable they keep on doing it with no regards to the consequences in the secondary market. LEGO looks the other way. And by doing so they realize many do not get a chance to even hold such rare toys. Is that even pondered? I guess that is a matter of utter capitalism. Such policies disregard all FOLs and seek only self promotion. If they did want to end such unlawful competition, theyd just need to flood the market with the so called rare minifigs making quality accesible at a low price. But you have to consider yet another thing. There is one company that is going beyond LEGO, building and designing molds and printings of their own (check Sheng Yuan). That is what LEGO should fear and why it should hold on to its minifigure patent. Innovation has always been the key. To sum it up: a good but partial article that focuses on only a part of the problem.

Huw - 知识产权侵犯是事实i，但你也要考虑法律，国际协议和和它们的适用地区。也许在中国它们并不犯法，但也许在那些法律条文适用的国家，商业销售这些人仔会触犯法律。我们不知中国是否遵循这些法律条文。
另外，你选了最糟糕的这些山寨货，没准是件好事。大多数山寨货都糟糕得可怕，但也有一些不错的产品。如果乐高想要制止它们，只需要采取一个简单措施。封锁二级市场，停止制造那些只有少数人才有机会得到的set。问题不在于这些高质量的仿制品，而是乐高正在变成投资品。这不仅与公司的准则相抵触，继续这样做也会在二级市场激起轩然大波，而且人们也不会再有机会得到绝版的set。我猜这就是彻头彻尾的资本主义。这种政策漠视了所有的乐高粉丝，剩下的只有自我推销。……（翻译无力了……）

让这些所谓“山寨货”达到和乐高一样的质量只是个时间问题。到那时乐高就会武装到牙齿地诉诸法律去保护它的“知识版权”

真就是时间问题~

山寨确实确实挺不好的。但这标题让人更不爽。一个圈内还算有点影响力的网站怎么能用这么带有歧视语气的标题。亏我还每天上去看看。

从来不买山寨人仔

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国内的各种税加上智乐过高的定价以及服务不到位（很多set都没有）使得国内的乐高价格居高不下（尤其官店），如果能调到和lego全球价一个水平，我想国内仿制的品牌自己就会死一批。

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喜欢楼主的翻译，继续支持！

其实lego类积木的造型已经过了产权保护的年限，关键是set的创意。问题是，国产积木的质量依旧跟lego相差很远，否则我想会有很多人买国产积木下载lego电子说明书来娱乐的~

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敢于山寨，还怕人骂？{:1_269:}这就是勇气，不过还是希望国内厂家能尽快有自己研发和创造的产品，另外精度上提高快点，市场刚刚的呢。

关键因素就是国内厂商浮躁、文化积淀不够，设计团队水准不专业。若具备上述条件，定能创出国际上拿的出手的拼插类积木。

这位HUW应该就是Brickset的网站所有者，或者其管理者。如果我没记错，Brickset曾经关闭了对中国玩家的大门，把所有中国IP地址都屏蔽了。后来应该是经过镇上某位大神的据理力争，才又重开。我记得当时HUW老兄的说法是，中国玩家对Brickset没有任何贡献（经济上的，因为中国玩家从来不在Brickset上的Link点击购买东西），所以中国玩家对Brickset上其他国家的“有贡献”的玩家来说，就是寄生虫之类的东西。我当时就呵呵了，说实话，中国玩家可没少宣传Brickset，起码从人气上就帮助它不少。当然，中国人自己不争气，尤其是其中的极少数人，真的是坏了我们所有中国人的名声。这种人生产的垃圾产品，就是垃圾，彻头彻尾的垃圾，放在世界任何角落都是垃圾。

说到国产品牌，确实有几个质量非常棒的，不过设计方面功力还非常低下，不过论规模绝对跟TLG不是一个量级，所以有情可原。比如星Z，古D之类，这些国产品牌应该获得支持，期望他们再接再厉。另外，S牌和德高，真的垃圾，德高最近质量是上去了，但是设计还是一贯的照抄乐高，一点节操也没有，我表示持续一贯的鄙视！

有时候，想想一个拥有生产地沟油，瘦肉精，三氯氢安这些来毒害自己孩子，自己同胞的败类的国家，有人生产垃圾产品来卖钱，太正常了，作为他们的同胞，真的是非常羞耻，非常痛苦的一个事实。国内被他们毒害，国外还因为他们而被嘲讽和羞辱，钱他们赚了，罪我们受着。

[i=s] 本帖最后由 homy 于 2015-7-16 14:19 编辑 [/i] 如果国产能一心设计自己的原创作品也没啥可说的，毕竟日本，韩国都有自己的乐高式原创设计。可现在趋势却是一心山寨乐高的设计而且愈演愈烈。加上前段干脆连乐高商标都用上了的假货。注定要让人唾弃。

{:1_277:}国人挺牛的哈哈都是瞄准世界顶级品牌从玩具到军事，不错不错加油。

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品质做的差 被人说很正常。自己努力的下决心去做改善进步才是进取之道。但是明知道做的差，还故意弄个很相似的商标，去诱导或者单纯的装李鬼。这才是真的让人唾弃的地方。
关于brickset的管理者，觉得中国的没给他带来盈利而屏蔽，其实不置可否。
人家有人家的考虑，不能说不开放就是看不起中国玩家，资本市场就是为了盈利。BL也做过类似中文版的尝试，最后也放弃了。冷暖自知。
但是坦白说国内玩乐高的鱼龙混杂，素质差的很多。我觉得还是在国内丢脸就好。别丢出国外去了~我情愿在外国网站，自己用夹生的英语来浏览，也不要看到无知狂妄的发言。

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当年抗战，汉奸伪军的数量超过日本正规军呵呵{:1_277:}

自主设计和原料研发

这两条都是不是一朝一夕能够出成效的

现在天朝风气浮躁，都是希望投100W明天能赚1个亿，能做出好产品的有几个？

再加上无序的市场竞争，畸形山寨品还会存在很多年

另外乐高定价也不能怪乐高，你们自己看看进口玩具要上多少税！乐高难道不喜欢价廉物美，人人玩得起？

国产山寨加油啊！就算抢不到大市场也要抢点小市场。{:1_250:}

只有国产（山寨）品牌的质量和创意都上去了，才能逼迫LEGO正视中国市场的需求。

这几个看起来质量太差了……

国产的质量好像进步不大明显。

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跟huw有过两次接触，交谈中感觉人还不错，说chinese rubbish有点不好听，但应该只是就是论事，知识产权的确是咱们国家的大问题，中国要发展技术创新，真要先把这个问题解决了。

表示买过一些关于军事的人仔，其实枪做得还是挺精细的，材料就没办法和乐高比了

首先 乐高人仔是有版权的。任何假冒的无论什么狗屁理由 都是打脸说不过去。

其次，乐高砖是没有版权的。中国的确有乐高砖的质量已经很不错。这篇文章稍微带了感情色彩。如果拿北欧另外一个抄袭LEGO的”高价“牌子来对比，这外国人估计就闭嘴了。

国产某些牌子有个很大的危险是用料。我们成人玩还好，有些孩子容易把积木往嘴里塞的，家长还是尽量买信得过的吧。{:4_186:}

记得上小学时校门口全是S牌的，一堆人去哄抢，看着真悲哀，看看那些假星战的，展示牌印的驴唇不对马嘴，估计现在中国人对星战的概念也就是这个了吧。

我印象比较深的就是某宝上面的博乐这个牌子已经把幻影忍者和女孩系列照搬了个遍，销量还不错，可见国内还是价格至上

我是这么回这B的名字为证

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jlb bom本来就是垃圾牌子，youtube看看关于中国产山寨积木人仔，回复的人都怎么说